5/04: What Writers Want

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Writers' panel: "What do writers want from editors?"

Facilitator Heidi Wrightsman began by introducing our panelists, fellow Guild members Waverly Fitzgerald, Diane Sepanski, and David Williams.

Waverly Fitzgerald is a writing teacher, writer and writing coach. She just completed her seventh novel, Every Step You Take, a detective story set in Seattle. She also writes personal essays and nonfiction articles about seasonal holidays and dancing, among many other subjects. She has taught classes on writing novels, nonfiction book proposals, family history, historical fiction and other subjects for the UCLA Writers Program, UW Extension, Richard Hugo House, Seattle Central Community College and the UW Women's Center.

David Williams has written books and pieces about natural history for national, regional and local magazines and newspapers. In addition to writing A Naturalist's Guide to Canyon Country and Grand Views of Canyon Country, he co-wrote A Naturalist's Guide to the White Rim Trail and was a contributor to Insight Guide: Seattle, Insight Guide: American Southwest, and Discovery Channel–Insight Guide: Caves, Cliffs, and Canyons. He is currently working on another book, The Street-Smart Naturalist: Field Notes from Seattle, which will be published by Graphic Arts in 2005.

Diane Sepanski says: I was studying for a doctorate in postmodern theory and Victorian lit at Duke when I took my first proofreading job, for an academic zoology journal. Little did I know then that I’d be spending the next ten or so years making a living as a writer, editor and proofreader. And I used to believe Derrida when he talked about the death of the author!

“I worked for three years at the Elliott Bay Book Company when I first arrived in Seattle – the best introduction to the world of publishing a gal could have. Then I was fortunate enough to do an internship at Seal Press. Since then, I’ve edited and/or proofread for just about everyone in this town, from Microsoft to Amazon to Nordstrom to Sasquatch to Swedish Medical Center to Seattle Weekly. I’ve edited fiction and nonfiction books, poetry, magazine articles on fly-fishing, and computer software help files.

“Putting on my author hat, I took my first paid writing gig at the age of 6, for my sister Jean, who was a children’s book editor at the now defunct kids’ division of McGraw-Hill. Many essay contests later, I was a contributing writer at Seattle Weekly for three years, writing features, profiles, and reviews, from restaurants to books.

“My essay ‘The Skinny on Small’ appears in Body Outlaws: Rewriting the Rules of Beauty and Body Image (Seal Press) and has been reprinted in a college textbook anthology, The Contemporary Reader (Longman Publishing).

“I lived for eight months last year in Cluj-Napoca, Transylvania, Romania, where I taught writing and conversation to second-year university students. I’m currently struggling to pay the bills while simultaneously writing a book of essays about my amazing, beautiful, and life-changing experience abroad.

“I feel I owe any minor literary success that I have had to the nuns who taught me (by threat of a ruler) to diagram sentences in grammar school, and a lifelong habit of reading by flashlight under the covers.”

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David, speaking primarily about the world of magazine editors and writers, opened the discussion by saying that an editor is someone to learn from. Punctuation is key; it appears to be a weakness of his, so he is grateful when an editor fixes it. On the other hand, it’s frustrating when an editor edits his piece but doesn’t explain his or her edits, or changes things without asking David why he might have chosen a particular convention (often there is a reason the editor may not be aware of). The editor should always ask the author questions, David said. Two other important things are responsiveness and the ability to say yes or no. Enthusiasm for the work is also welcome. Providing positive commentary throughout a piece is nice; it shows appreciation and respect for the writer.

Diane agreed that it would be nice to hear positive remarks about the writing as part of the copyediting, to see not only the red-pen “mistakes” but what works as well. As a writer, she feels that rhythm in a piece is key, and editors can often misunderstand or not see the rhythm that the writer has worked hard to put in place. One of Diane’s favorite editors at the Seattle Weekly used to call her to run by any changes. Diane really appreciated that.

Her own copyediting style has changed as a result of being copyedited herself; she’s much more gentle with her queries. She urged editors to realize that there is always emotion attached to people’s words. The editor/writer relationship doesn’t have to be adversarial, she said; there will always be a tension, but at its best, the relationship can be a productive dialogue.

Waverly often edits the work of people writing their first book-length manuscript, getting it ready to submit to agents or publishers. She’s been edited brilliantly before, so she appreciates the role of the editor. Here is her take on what writers want:

Marketing advice, how to get published, agent advice, teaching them how to get to the next level
Resources, where to take writing classes, info on local writing programs
Approval/feedback: “Yes, it’s good!” or “No, it needs some more work”
Encouragement: Writers need to know what works. The editor needs to provide enough positive feedback so that writers feel encouraged to persevere in writing and improving their skills.
An objective eye: Editors can note recurring problems with sentence structure or overused phrases, which a writer can't see.
A good reader: An editor is an expert reader who can provide a running commentary on what it's like to read the piece, making comments like "I was confused here" or "I wanted more background at this point."

Diane said that writers want editors who understand flow and rhythm, who are well read, and so on. Reading out loud when you edit can help editors “see” and “hear” the rhythm more clearly. Form and content go hand in hand.

Waverly continued, saying that writers want editors to make them look good so they can submit manuscripts that are polished and ready for submission. Writers can learn from an editor's comments and begin to self-edit. In that way, editing is like teaching. Waverly personally likes it when an editor not only points out a problem but also offers a suggestion on how to fix it.

David chimed in that having an editor know what they want is key. Writers also want a lack of ego on the editor’s part. After all, the words are the writers’. The relationship should be about how writer and editor are going to work together to make a piece better.


Questions/discussion from the group:

Members asked whether writers’ groups are helpful and whether writers can be good editors. One meeting participant, Ivan, mentioned that he’s been writing political blogs (http://ivan.dailykos.com). After 30 years of copyediting other people’s material, he says that self-editing is really helping his writing.

Another person mentioned how important it is to have at least 5-7 people look at something before it goes into print, because we see what we expect to see.

Proofreading is really a different skill and a different step from this. Proofers must read character by character, and often don’t get the content of the piece because they are reading on such a detailed level. 


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