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2007

October 2007: Copyediting for Farrar, Straus, and Giroux  Publishers : Elaine Chubb
June 2007:  Writing and editing book reviews: Kristin Thiel
April 2007: Editing in the Pacific Northwest: Karen Kirtley
February 2007: Tax information for the Self-Employed: Mary Spinnler
 

2006

December 2006: The Experience of Being Edited: Deborah Donnelly, author of The Wedding Planner Mysteries
October 2006
August 2006
April 2006
February 2006
 

2005

April 2005: Affordable marketing ideas from members. Notes at www.edsguild.org/3_05.htm.
February 2005
 

2004

October 2004

 

 

 

  October 2007

Speaker: Elaine Chubb, Production Manager (now retired), Farrar, Straus, and Giroux Publishers New York and copy editor for Copyediting newsletter

Elaine recently moved to Portland from New York City. As a production editor at Farrar, Straus, Elaine was in charge of the freelance editors in the children's division. Because of the kinds of books Farrar, Straus published, most editing was still done on hard copy. Elaine had many anecdotes about "her" editors: opening a box containing the edited manuscript and being greeted with the overpowering smell of stale cigarette smoke, finding cat hairs on the manuscript pages, and more.

Much of Elaine's talk pertained to editing on hard copy, but she discussed editing online, also. Her checklist for copyeditors included knowing that their jobs meant meticulous reading and correcting or querying for accuracy, consistency, and clarity; knowing what reference books to use; checking for grammar and syntax; knowing what their responsibility was regarding fact checking, design element coding, and obtaining permissions for quotes; and knowing what not to edit, such as quotes, appendixes, and tables.

Elaine also provided information on how to tackle a manuscript, starting with counting the pages and checking that all the elements are there and readable. She suggested getting an idea of the manuscript and its special needs before diving in: read through the T of C, skim the key heads, and read a few pages as well as look for special elements such as notes, tables, lists, and captions and labels for artwork, which may require special editing.

She reminded us to review special instructions from the publisher. For example, be clear about the level of edit required and how much fact checking you are responsible for. If you must contact the publisher, gather all your queries so you make only one call. Ask only major questions, not minor points of style. When you begin editing after a break, the next day for example, read the last part again to refresh your memory and avoid discrepancies.

Elaine also gave us copyediting tests to take home.

notes submitted by Sue Mann

 

June 2007

The Portland chapter of the Northwest Independent Editors Guild met on Monday, June 4, 2007. Guild member Kristin Thiel spoke about writing and editing book reviews. Kristin writes for several publications, including Rain Taxi, a book-review publication; Kirkus; Library Journal; and the Oregonian.

Kristin believes there are important reasons for writing book reviews, including staying abreast of what's happening in the publishing world and continuing to hone critical thinking and editing skills. To review a book, she reads it in one day or two consecutive days. She reads both as a critic and as a reader. Because she knows she'll write immediately after reading the book, she doesn't take notes but makes marks in the margins next to text that will be important to the review. She reads the whole book but doesn't reveal the ending, although she may describe it or its impact. She strives not to be subjective, but rather finds text to back up her observations.

Review managers decide how long the review should be depending on the book and the reviewer. They also edit reviews, especially noticing such things as lack of focus and ineffective use of the first person. They also make sure reviews are coherent and thoughtful. Reviews are frequently put through more than one level of editing.

To get work reviewing books, find out the guidelines from review publications and work on spec first if no review clippings are available.

 

notes submitted by Sue Mann

 

 

April 2007

Karen Kirtley was the speaker at the April 2, 2007, Portland Editors Guild meeting, held at Old Wives Tales restaurant. Karen has been an editor at Harcourt Brace in New York and while there edited the 7th edition of the Harbrace College Handbook. In the Northwest, she has worked as an editor at Amadeus Press and Timber Press. She co-authored Alma Rosé: Vienna to Auschwitz with Richard Newman shortly after leaving Amadeus Press. She teaches Book Editing and Advanced Book Editing at Portland State University. She is a very nurturing mentor to young editors.

Karen discussed publishers in the Pacific Northwest and how some provide editing tests online that we can download. She mentioned some of the pitfalls to look out for when taking the tests: use of who-whom, affect-effect, like-as if, and so on. She suggested adding notes when we feel that although one answer is correct, strictly speaking, we are open to change and thus are flexible. Before sending in the test, she suggested reading the answers backward to make sure spelling, etc., is correct.

When working with individuals, she suggested we be sure to ask what the author is seeking and to be very specific about the kinds of editing we do and what we can provide. She discussed permissions and when they’re required.

Karen provided several handouts, including a checklist for agreements, a standard freelance agreement, and Web sites for rate information.

 

notes submitted by Sue Mann

    February 2007 Speaker:
Mary Spinnler, EA, LTC
A-1 Income Tax & Bookkeeping, Inc.
7810 SE Johnson Creek Blvd
Portland, OR 97206
503-777-1040

An Enrolled Agent and self-employed person for twenty-three years, Mary Spinnler provided a wealth of information on taxes. The following are just some of the points she covered. Due to possible notetaker errrors, these points alone are not meant to provide tax advice. Research on your own and/or consult with a professional. In the least, these meeting minutes will hopefully introduce you to a deduction you didn't know you could take and inspire you to get those taxes done!

Mileage: Deductions for wear-and-tear and expenses for your business vehicle can be handled one of two ways. 1) Record your car's mileage on Jan. 1 and the mileage on Dec. 31. Record total miles driven for business (not commuting, which doesn't count) at the end of each day. Those three numbers are all you need for figuring how much your car was used for business. The cents/mile figure the IRS sets each year is meant to include gas, depreciation, oil changes, etc. 2) Figuring your actual deduction requires you to keep all gas, repair, oil change, etc. receipts.

TriMet Tax: If you work within the TriMet area, make a profit, and are self-employed, you need to file a TriMet tax (which will count as a business deduction the following year).

Health Insurance: You can deduct individual health insurance premiums that you pay for and that are in your name. Anything else that is paid for with post-tax money—dental, optical, copays, etc.—can be deducted. If you travel a lot for medical reasons, there is a mileage rate for that deduction as well.

Phone/Fax: If you paid for long-distance phone service Feb. 2003–Aug. 2006, there is a phone credit you can take. This is figured based on your number of exemptions. A separate fax line is deductible.

Non-cash Donations: Items must have been in good condition when you donated them, and you value them at what you think the charity will be able to sell them for. If you donate any one item that is worth more than $500, you must have an appraisal, or some sort of third-party valuing of the item. It's a good idea to take photos of any item you donate; a photo provides great proof of an item's estimated worth.

All Donations: You must have a receipt. (A cancelled check is fine.)

Travel: Meals (including tips) and entertainment can be deducted at 50 percent. The IRS has a travel meals per diem of $39/day (minimum, dependent on what city you travel to). Determine whether your trip is deductible based on your intent: did you travel for business, or did you go for pleasure? Document exactly how much time you spend working and what you're working on during that time. A trip can be partially deductible, based on how much time you spend actually working.

Education: A lifelong learning credit does not have to be for a full class. You could count a workshop or a seminar, for example, on that line.

Notetaker: Kristin Thiel

 

 

December 2006


The Experience of Being Edited 
Deborah Donnelly, author of The Wedding Planner Mysteries

H.G. Wells said "No passion in the world is equal to the passion to alter someone else's draft." So congratulations on being passionate people!
Publishing house editors doing less editing, but mss. are expected to be closer to pub-ready than ever before. So it's a growing area.
As editors, you appreciate structure. Here's one you might recognize:
FIVE STAGES OF BEING EDITED: Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression and Acceptance.
FIRST STAGE: DENIAL – "Don't you love it? You don't love it???"
Sure, authors know they're going to be edited, but editing means changing this darling of theirs, and they're secretly hoping you'll love every single word.
The fiction writer's ego is as naked as a baby bird. Be gentle, and be positive!
Your editorial letter or email will be re-read and re-examined and quoted to friends and family, so start with praise. Before you start to change the manuscript, show that you "get it."
Example: Fiction authors LOVE style sheets that include their characters' names – not just for accuracy, but as proof that the imaginary beings in their heads have become real.
STAGE TWO: ANGER. "How dare you alter my masterpiece?"
Anger covers a lot of territory, from irritation to rage, and most authors will try to decently hide their anger. But it's there – ESPECIALLY if the feedback they get from you is vague.
"Chapter Ten is too slow" is fine, but "The ending didn't work for me" is not.
EXAMPLE: A romantic suspense writer's editor kept insisting the police chief hero should be made to seem guilty of some crime (for more suspense). The author felt the heroine wouldn't go near him if she thought he was guilty. Editor insisted, so she had him accused of police brutality. But editor wanted him more guilty, so she kept tinkering, and finally in desperation changed his hair color from blond to black. The editor said "Now you've got it!"
So when you run into anger – or resistance – try to be specific. (Of course, you can't be TOO specific, to the point of trying to rewrite the book.)
STAGE THREE: BARGAINING. "Okay, I'll cut out the pie fight, but the chariot race is brilliant, it stays."
Here you have to step carefully. Maybe hero's dog's name is silly, but it's the author's actual dog.
Still, don't back down when you have serious concerns.
My own editor's biggest mis-step – she let me talk her out of something (removing a minor character) then insisted on it later in the process, when it was much harder to do.
So when it comes to bargaining, pick your battles, but stand your ground.
STAGE FOUR: DEPRESSION – "I can't stand this, my book is being ruined. I can't face making these changes."
At this point, the author is exhausted. You may be really getting into the editorial process, but the author has been rewriting this thing in her head, possibly for years.
EXAMPLE: With my first, unpublished manuscript, the senior mystery editor at Avon asked for extensive changes – then rejected it anyway. I was ready to give up altogether.
As independents, you won't be rejecting manuscripts, but if you run into author's depression, be patient.
Our stages so far: Denial – be positive. Anger – be specific. Bargaining – be firm. Depression – be patient.
Finally, STAGE FIVE: ACCEPTANCE. At this point, what I hope you will "be" is well rewarded, because good editors are worth their weight in royalties, and most authors accept that.
In my case, that Avon editor improved my work so much that the very next publisher to see it, Bantam Dell, offered me a contract and has now published six of my books! The latest, BRIDE AND DOOM, comes out in paperback at the end of this month – I hope you'll take a look at it.

October 2006

This meeting featured a talk by Christine Clifton-Thornton on working with difficult authors. For notes from the Seattle meeting on this topic, please see Editorial Practice and Theory: Working with Difficult Authors.

August 2006

Last night's meeting of the Portland-area members of the Northwest Independent Editors Guild was informative and yummy, as usual, as we dined at Alexis Greek Restaurant and listened to Julie Zander--crafter of personal memoirs and family memory books (www.chaptersoflife.com), as well as a Guild member--explain some of the editing issues involved in recording, editing, and publishing personal histories. We heard that this editing niche is replete with many of the same tensions and judgment calls that those of us in other editing areas wrestle with, too--retaining a writer's colloquial voice versus cleaning it up and making it "right," and the need to sometimes coach clients rather than bulldoze them with our edits.

Julie's colleague, book designer Paula Slavens, also spoke some about converting a well edited personal history into a real live hardcover published book.

Both Julie and Paula are regional coordinators of the Association of Personal Historians. Thanks to both of them for sharing their expertise with us!

Next meeting of the Portland-area members of NW Independent Editors Guild--October 9. (Meetings are held the second Tuesday of every other month--Feb, Apr, Jun, Aug, Oct, Dec.) For now, consider Alexis Greek Restaurant the meeting site (downtown, on West Burnside at 2nd Ave.). But know that I'm scouting some other locations--Northwest Portland, Lloyd District, etc.--and will circulate news of a different meeting place for Octoberif we find one.

Save March 31, 2007, for the Guild's debut one-day conference.
Celebrate 10 years of your Guild in Seattle next spring--presentations, panels, discussions in the morning and afternoon--and a hospitality committee is arranging places for us Portlanders to stay with Seattle-area Guild members, so that we can attend the conference without the cost of a hotel. For more info: conference@edsguild.org

Notes by Tim McLaughlin

 

April 2006

Twenty-some editors gathered upstairs at Alexis Greek Restaurant for moussaka, gyros, conversation (lots of this), and an encouraging talk from Marvin Mitchell--president of the Northwest Association of Book Publishers (independent Oregon/SW Washington publishers)--about the importance of good editing services to small presses.

Several in attendance came after getting acquainted with the Guild at our Wordstock booth (April 22-23)--a big hello to you in particular! It was a delight to get to know you around the loooong table, and talk shop and swap professional know-how with you. Check out our website at www.edsguild.org for all sorts of helpful stuff to the independent editor--how to get started, how to market yourself, links galore, notes from earlier meetings on everything from software to doing your taxes, and much more--including an opportunity to join the Guild (and thereby gain access to our website's job list, among many benefits).

Next meetings: June 12 and August 14, 6-8:30pm, in the same space: upstairs at Alexis Greek Restaurant in downtown Portland, corner of W. Burnside & 2nd. Subject/speaker to be announced a bit later. You'll receive reminders closer to these meetings.


Finally, many thanks to Guild members Sue Mann and Halle Reese for facilitating last night's meeting and taking good care of our speaker.

Notes by Tim McLaughlin

February 2006

A dozen members of the Portland chapter had a convivial and productive meeting for dinner at Alexis Greek restaurant on Feb. 13.

We discussed future outreach activities:

We'll be having a table at the Writers Resource Fair, at the Portland downtown library, on the afternoon of March 12. Hilary Russell is coordinating, and four volunteers will be staffing it. The fair is 12-4 p.m. and should be lots of fun -- come check it out!
We'll have a booth at the second annual Wordstock, Portland's literary festival, on April 22-23. Anne Dujmovic is the coordinator. It's great fun -- if you'd like to staff the booth for a 2-hour shift (with another Guild volunteer), consult the signup sheet at www.edsguild.org/wordstock.htm for available shifts, then email us with your preference(s).
We'll have a table at the Association of Personal Historians conference in October in Portland. No signups for that yet.

Sherri reported that Seattle-area Guild member Randy Hilfman will be competing in the Oregon Spelling Bee for adults over 50 in Aurora, Oregon, on Saturday, April 8 and would love to have members there to cheer him on! The event is at the Pythian Hall, 99E and 2nd Street, and begins at 1pm.

Elizabeth Raintree briefly discussed the Editors Assn of Canada national conference, which is in Vancouver, BC, this year, June 9-11. When she finds out the registration fee, she'll pass that info along via the listserv.

Martha Wagner updated us on the Guild's conference-planning efforts. Folks in Seattle are interested in having a one-day conference aimed at bringing all Guild members together -- or as many of our 185 members as we can -- and to raise our profile in the literary (and larger) community. They will have
their first planning meeting this Thursday in Seattle, and asked Martha to gather feedback from the Portland group. They want to have the conference in a place, possibly Olympia, where Portland members would come too. Martha gathered feedback from the group on locations and on topics that were of interest to Portland members (most of which centered on how to run an editing business, rather than how to edit).

The group agreed to move its April meeting to ****Monday, April 24**** so that people who hear about us at Wordstock can come to a meeting right away. We won't meet on Monday, April 10. A reminder will be sent via the listserv by the Guild's capable administrator in Seattle.

We discussed possible meeting topics/speakers for the future, including:

Christine Clifton-Thornton from Seattle on "working with difficult authors"
(Sherri will contact)
Someone from Timber Press (Halle Reese will explore)
Folks from Xerox talking about e-books (Halle will explore)
Someone from the PSU publishing program (Hilary Russell had suggested, and
the PSU students at the meeting might also be contacts)
Dinner at Wild Abandon (Cher's friend's restaurant)
Speaker on how to do your taxes/organize your books for the new year, for
December?

Other ideas mentioned: Beyond Words Publishing, a local literary agent, Elizabeth Lyon, health insurance, "service topics" (i.e., how to do something better), a panel of local publishers talking about what they look for in editors.

In light of the recent departure of longtime Portland coordinator Sue Ridge (who took a Seattle job offer that she could not resist), Sherri suggested that different members volunteer to do one each of the many things Sue used to do (or wished she had time to do), so that no one would be overworked. Click to see the list so far. Thank you, volunteers!


April 2005 

Several Guild members shared affordable marketing ideas that have worked for them. Notes at www.edsguild.org/3_05.htm.


February 2005

The group discussed Wordstock (Portland's book festival, to be held in April) and narrowed the field to two possible regular public meeting places for the Guild (Alexis and McCormick's). Member Elizabeth Raintree briefed the group on the Editors' Association of Canada (Association Canadienne de Reviseurs). She will be meeting with an EAC representative on an upcoming trip to Vancouver, B.C. 


October 2004

We discussed our meeting expectations and set a plan for future meetings. One idea was to schedule meetings on the same day of the month at the same location. Potential locations are still being researched, but we proposed meeting on the second Monday of the even-numbered months (December, February, April, etc.). [We subsequently proposed this on the listserv and heard no objections, so this is now our policy.]

In addition, we are researching potential speakers, including Karen Karbo and Michael Powell, and topics, including publishing genres/specialties and how to educate clients.

 

 

 

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